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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Feb 22, 2011 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Vince? (Are They Kidding)

That's the story I've heard. Let's not forget that Vince was also quite sick. He was diagnosed with cancer and emphysema just before the final tour -- not a happy prognosis. Then Jerry died. I don't blame him for falling into depresssion.

He was certainly not the Dead's best keyboard player, but all of the shitting on his grave that goes on around here is really nauseating. Let the poor man rest in peace.

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Poster: Roberts Mark Date: Feb 22, 2011 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Vince? (Are They Kidding)

I am in complete agreement. While Vince was not my favorite member of the GD, I still enjoyed many shows after he joined the band. And I know for a fact that MANY other people enjoyed the shows too. It's what we had and we graciously took what they gave us as we always did over the years with the Grateful Dead. Sometimes shows were great. Sometimes shows were not so great. Jerry could sound great and Jerry could sound terrible. It was all part of the ride that many of us were on for such a long time. I am finding all these negative comments about Vince to be very depressing. Let the man rest in peace. I don't understand why people have to be so negative around the GD and Furthur and things not being what they once were or what they could have been. Why can't people just enjoy something for what it is or leave it alone and not try to convince others that what they feel is the only right thing? My philosophy is not to bad mouth stuff that I don't like or understand because life, art, reality, and all the things that make this world an interesting place are subjective and people are entitled to feel what they feel without being chastised by others who believe that what they think is all that really matters.

To me, all this negativity really shows how much the GD scene and community has changed over the years since I first started going to GD shows in the late 70s. It used to be about love, respect, adventure, and a collective spirit with all the diverse intricacies that go with that. Times have really changed.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 22, 2011 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Vince? (Are They Kidding)

O.K. I'll bite. So we can have subjective opinions as long as we don't express them for fear of offending someone's positive energy? Where exactly does that line lie? I find this line especially regrettable,

>"My philosophy is not to bad mouth stuff that I don't like or understand..."

How can you explore without honesty and truth?

>"...people are entitled to feel what they feel without being chastised by others who believe that what they think is all that really matters."

In order for certain folks to feel properly, and are a protected from free speech, others must forfeit some free speech rights? You can not have it both ways. Free speech or not?
If you don't like the VW, or late era GD vibe here, then try change it or accept that this forum has a heavy bias for the first 15 years of GD. I like '90 and have posted '95 shows without any problem.
It's always good to keep in mind when beginning a thread is honey always gets more then vinegar. And don't forget Mama always said to say thank-you.